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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 557 for the 23rd of June

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2019 Richard Saunders here with you from

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the San Francisco Bay Area and I'm glad

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to report I haven't felt any earth

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tremors this time although I have in the

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past when I've been visiting this area I

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remember once I was and this ties in

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with this week's show I was visiting dr.

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eugenie Scott sitting in her front

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parlor in a nice comfortable chair and

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suddenly I felt a big bump and I blinked

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and I looked around and I thought I bet

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that was an earth tremor and indeed it

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was and several years before that and I

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could probably look it up in the records

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there was a double tremor two jolts

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within an hour of each other or

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something like that in the Berkeley

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Hills which I felt got me out of bed I

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can promise you that in the middle of

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the night and my first instinct and

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reaction probably based on

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I don't know TV was to run and be under

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a doorframe if there happens to be any

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more earth tremors while I'm here I

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shall let you know coming up on this

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week's show psychic detectives yes that

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topic comes back again now in Australia

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at the moment there is a search underway

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although the latest news I heard is the

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official police searches either being

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called off or scaled back is the

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backpack up just a kid a 19 year old guy

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from Belgium has gone missing on the far

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north coast of New South Wales not far

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from where Heidi Robinson lives our

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reporter from the Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters he's gone missing

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there's been frantic searches and as

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night follows day people who think they

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have special psychic magical powers have

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offered their help and I thought this

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was a good opportunity to once again

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look into the topic of so-called psychic

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detectives or people who think they have

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wonderful powers

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for whatever motivation be it from the

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goodness of their heart or something

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more sinister we usually end up plaguing

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the police with useless information so

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in this episode we'll look at a couple

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of cases in Australia where these

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psychic detectives and other people have

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well basically made nuisances of

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themselves after that without any earth

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tremors I visit the Berkeley Botanic

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Gardens with dr. eugenie Scott to

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discover what the National Center for

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Science education were up to on the day

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and the day was dedicated to bugs to

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insects I even saw a tarantula which was

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quite impressive but we visit the table

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of the National Center for science

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education to discover what they're doing

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with their science outreach talking

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about mosquitoes and I get to make a

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keychain now good news a feel-good story

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this week on the skeptic zone then to

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round off the show something different

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something different we dive back into

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the pages of the Australian Woman's

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Weekly magazine although in this report

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I sometimes refer to it as the

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Australian Women's Weekly it's a bit of

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a slip of the tongue

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it's the Australian Woman's Weekly

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magazine famous magazine in Australia

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and we dive back to 1977 to discover

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what they were telling their readers

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about ESP do you remember that term ESP

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before the term psychic was widely used

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all those things back in the 1970s was

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basically round ESP extrasensory

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perception as a phrase a term you don't

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hear much anymore

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do you have ESP included in this look

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back is a test you can do to determine

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if you have ESP now don't forget you

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people in Australia and New Zealand both

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countries have national skeptics

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conventions coming up conference 2019 in

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New Zealand will be held at the Arts

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Centre in Christchurch and that's at the

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end of November and the special guests

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the skeptics guide to the universe

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crew will also be attending the

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Australian skeptics National Convention

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in Melbourne put them in your diary

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links in this week's show notes more

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announcements from me at the end of the

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show but before we get stuck into the

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show a big congratulations to my dear

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friend dr. Pamela gay the wonderfully

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entertaining and knowledgeable

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astronomer who you hear regularly on the

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skeptic zone with promotions for

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astronomy cast her podcast she does with

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Fraser Cain Pamela and I'm reading off

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the humanist comm website where it says

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meet the 2019 Isaac Asimov Science Award

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recipient

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Pamela gay dr. Pamela gay is an

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astronomer writer and podcaster focused

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on using new media to engage people in

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science and technology her most well

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known project is astronomy cast a

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podcast in its ninth year that she

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co-hosts with the Fraser Cain producer

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of Universe Today she also helped build

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the Cosmo quest a virtual research

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facility a second-generation citizen

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science site designed to provide the

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public with opportunities to participate

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in NASA related science programs while

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also giving them access to online

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seminars star parties classes and more

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and the article goes on it's quite

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lengthy worth your time to have a look

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but I really wanted to say a heartfelt

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congratulations to dr. Pamela gay a very

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hard-working woman indeed well that's

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enough for me at the moment it's time

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for me to run upstairs grab a nice cold

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root beer from the fridge and maybe a

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hotdog or something very American I'm

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not sure what tuned into the television

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and see the Australian women's soccer

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team faced off with Norway at the World

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Cup well I'm doing all that because

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things are recorded in a strange order

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for any podcast I think I hope you enjoy

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it wasn't so long ago on the sceptic

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zone and I was speaking to my old friend

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Ben Radford Ben as you might remember

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here's one of the United States leading

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authorities when it comes to the

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question of so-called psychic detectives

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and this topic is one of my I don't want

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to say the word favorite but it sounds a

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bit weird it's one of my well it's one

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of the topics I find very interesting in

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the skeptical realm and sphere and I

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must think our reporter Heidi Robertson

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from the Northern Rivers vaccination

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supporters who drew my attention to a

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case that's happening in her neck of the

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woods at the moment was very unfortunate

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a worrying case at the moment

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concerning a young backpacker visiting

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Australia from Belgium

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Theo hay is now Theo disappeared from

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the Byron Bay Area on May the 31st there

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are records of him visiting a wine shop

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and alcohol shop bottle shop and offi

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whatever you want to call it which is on

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videotape on the CC tape and then there

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are reports of him leaving a nightclub

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apparently intoxicated anyway he has

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gone missing and it was some days before

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people in Australia will be very

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familiar with this case because it's

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currently on the news media large-scale

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searches of the Byron Bay area and there

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are some rugged areas around Byron Bay

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and some cliffs and things like that so

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far at the time of recording the police

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have not yet found the whereabouts of

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Hayes and I'm sure the police are

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grateful for all the help and support

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the local community has given being out

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there searching for this missing

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backpacker and well I must admit you

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know a missing backpacker does strike a

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chord with me because many years ago

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backpack

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industry but yes police are grateful for

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the help of locals in getting out there

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and helping to search but what I'm sure

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confusion and false hopes brought up by

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so-called psychic detectives or just

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psychics and we have a look at the case

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of one of these people by the name of TK

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t EA ka Wai and she's a self-proclaimed

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psychic who lives on the Sunshine Coast

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three hour drive away from the Byron Bay

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Area and a quick google of her name

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belgium backpacker theo haze is stuck on

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a cliff psychic claims missing belgium

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backpacker is alive and so on so the

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press are reporting what a

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self-proclaimed psychic has to say about

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an ongoing case it's news it's making

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the news and just taking one of these

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news reports at random

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psychic claims belgium backpacker theo

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quote an australian psychic has claimed

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missing belgium backpacker theo hairs is

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alive and stranded on a byron bay cliff

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top self-proclaimed psychic medium

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residents to conduct a search in broken

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head New South Wales claiming she can

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see the 18 year old trapped in a rugged

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area and they have reproduced here a

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screenshot of her Facebook posting which

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I have to I have been using my psychic

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medium skills to track where Theo Hayes

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has been is at etc since last night

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the rugged part oceanside please if

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anyone is near go there go out there

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listen out for him calling out help

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stuck in an area he did not realize was

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towards the ocean because he could hear

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worn out but has had drinking water from

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the land yes there are other things that

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have happened as far as I have been able

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to see but this is what is most

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important now people have broken head go

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out there and call out to him and listen

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for his call thank you

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and with some information that's come to

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me via Facebook postings there are

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people out there who have read this and

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have gone to exactly where T K has

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suggested they look and even sent

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photographs of them searching t K is of

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course fueling this activity and she

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a very dense area he got stuck in the

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area last night whilst he was trying to

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head to the beach he could hear the

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ocean that's why he was moving towards

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it last night unfortunately he did not

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see he was going deep into a valley type

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area a low area he is now worn out and

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know whether this might be anything but

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dot dot a film called

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house in byron but it's in the vicinity

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and you seem to be really connected with

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the spider web part dot dot i wonder if

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this area near the cinema needs to be

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explored further and it just goes on

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with these people feeding off each

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other's delusions and it is a pity that

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this story is getting media attention of

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these ramblings from somebody who thinks

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they're psychic again it's because it

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involves the current case

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and as our friend Heidi Robertson points

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out that the TK sent people out at 4

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p.m. when it gets dark around 5 p.m.

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into dense and dangerous terrain on her

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fields and she says police have a

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coordinated rescue effort in place and

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this is not helping if someone else gets

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injured where is the accountability on

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her and we have yet another case of a

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psychic in the news at the moment a

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so-called psychic in this instance it's

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the case of William Terrell who aged 3

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disappeared from Kendall New South Wales

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and that was on the 12th of September

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2014 he's still missing and it has

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become quite a famous case with ongoing

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investigations and so we have somebody

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called Pamela Coronado in the United

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States and she's known for being on

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programs like dr. Phil she claims to be

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a psychic detective and indeed looking

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her up on the internet I've come across

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videos of her claiming to be a psychic

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detective recently she was asked about

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the William toriel case and well this is

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what she had to say I don't get remains

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I look at it like I said if I go to

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where he is in this moment sit next to

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him he's munching on a sandwich and

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and he seems like a kid that doesn't

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have a care in the world like he's the

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normal kid like he's acting like it

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won't look good when I keep seeing those

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like metal old fat you know we don't

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have them here anymore anything's

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plastic but we used to have metal play

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equipment you know that you climbed on

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monkey bars I've been followed monkey

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bars my go around the front of the

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school I wonder if it's private I wonder

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if it's us a church like Church

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affiliated or you reminds me of a church

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so according to Pamela cornado

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William Terrell is alive and living on

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the other side of the country in Western

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Australia now looking up information

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about Pamela Coronado we discover that a

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lot of the media reporting on this

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regurgitate the same bit of information

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that she helped California police find a

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missing person in 1996 all I can find on

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that in what I will admit as a brief

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search is the same thing repeated again

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and again and there's a reference to

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this on her own website so it certainly

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looks like a case of other media outlets

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going to her web site looking at the

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information and simply regurgitating it

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well let's be honest they don't have

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time to really investigate these things

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they've got a story to produce and

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that's what they do I'd imagine that

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this psychic in the United States are

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saying that Australian boy William

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Terrell is alive well we certainly hope

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so we certainly really do hope so but

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this is in contradiction to local

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psychics in Australia who say that

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William Tyrael is dead and I have a

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couple of examples which I use in one of

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my talks about psychic detectives we

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have the example of psychic medium

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Karen and psychic medium Karen uses a

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spirit box which we've discussed on the

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skeptic zone before for those of you who

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don't know a spirit box is a little

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receiver

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through free

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Quincy's one after the other stops for

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about a second and then carries on and

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every now and then you pick up a word or

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two from some transmission and then

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maybe a partial word or something like

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that and the idea is this is really the

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spirits using radio waves to contact the

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medium yes it it is as ridiculous as it

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sounds

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however psychic medium Karen has

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discovered by use of this spirit box

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that William Terrell is dead

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can I speak to really want Terrell

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we took here William dad

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and that was psychic medium Karen using

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her spirit box talking to the spirit of

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the late William Terrell if we were to

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believe her also we have the people from

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yes why dot e dot s dot your why are you

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are experiencing supernatural and a

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quick look at their webpage provides us

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with the services they offer

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palm reading at one hundred and fifty

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dollars an hour house energy cleansing

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two hundred dollars mediumship one

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hundred and fifty dollars and so on even

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exorcisms at three hundred dollars

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something to keep in mind and one of the

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crew at this at this site

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Verena has also of the opinion that

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William Tyrell is dead because his

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spirit contacted her not only that that

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she and her crew set off to the area

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from which William was apparently

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abducted to do their own search complete

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with a toy spider-man that they said on

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the ground in bushland to encourage the

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spirit of William Terrell he is a short

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clip from one of their videos hi I'm

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Karina from yes sir experiencing

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supernatural and psychic wonders now why

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I'm talking to you today is to make you

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aware of what we're up to it's

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paranormal investigative crew Altena

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Brian and myself will be going to

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Kendall New South Wales to in search of

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William Terrell now why are we doing

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this is because William came to me a

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very long time ago couple years ago

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three when he first went missing his

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spirit came to me from a computer there

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and yes we believe he has passed and not

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long after he went missing now we have

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had

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leaves and we have given everything all

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the information to the police

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years ago so is William Dead or Alive we

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certainly all hope he is still alive he

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has been abducted and is living

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somewhere when I can't help wondering

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why the media have not bothered to make

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the same point I just made is that we

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have so-called psychics saying that he's

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alive and well and living somewhere in

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psychics saying he's dead and has

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already passed over and sending the

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messages from the beyond if William is

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discovered alive of course the psychic

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here in the United States will claim it

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as a victory if William is sadly

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discovered to have died and the psychics

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in Australia will claim that they knew

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it all along

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but I'll in this little report with a

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short clip from the former Detective

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Chief Inspector Gary jubilant who was

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working on the William Tyrol case who

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held a press conference on the third

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anniversary of the disappearance of

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William Tyrell and made the following

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remarks encourage those people to come

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forth

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but please don't waste our time we're

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not interested in information from

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clairvoyance or people that have dreams

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we've focused on this investigation

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following up information that's relevant

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to Williams disappearance be mindful

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how frustrating especially when you're

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very annoying very annoying and I think

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quite often they prey on vulnerable

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people I've seen it not just in this

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investigation in other investigations

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where they involve themselves in the

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investigation based on a dream or you

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know claim to be clairvoyant I've never

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seen a clairvoyant solve it solving the

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investigation that's just a distraction

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it's a distraction that takes up our

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time and we'd like to focus on the facts

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and information proper information to to

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follow up on well we all hope that both

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Theo and William are discovered alive

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and well and if they are I'm sure it

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will be with absolutely no help

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whatsoever from so-called psychic

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detective

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hey fellow skeptics in Medford here with

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the University of California Botanical

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Gardens is a 34 acre or 13.7 hectare the

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technical garden located on the

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University of California Berkeley campus

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in Strawberry Canyon the garden is in

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the Berkeley Hills inside the city

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boundary of Oakland we have views

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overlooking the San Francisco Bay it is

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one of the most diverse plant

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collections in the United States and

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famous for its large number of rare and

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endangered species it was a pleasure to

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visit the Botanical Gardens in the

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company of dr. eugenie Scott and blacks

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the groups exhibiting was the National

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Center for Science Education bugday

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bugday I'm not bugged at all it's bug

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day I'm here at B Botanic Gardens in

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Berkeley California with dr. eugenie

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Scott who's just running over here to

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look at her son who she's just pointing

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to one that says honey bee hive see a

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native bee California native bees honey

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tasting climate change in California

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bees Scott we have lots of things to

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look at here isn't this a beautiful we

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just can't say it's a beautiful day for

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me because the fog is in it's nice and

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crisp and cool I know you're not a fan

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of this way they would I here look I

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grew up in Wisconsin right if you grew

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up in Wisconsin you get lots of bragging

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rights about climate but rarely for it

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being too hot I understand so I actually

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really like hot weather and we had the

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marvelous wonderful fabulous

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heatwave last week rose in the 90s and

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everybody was crabbing about it and I

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was so happy but then you know I have

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brew at contrarian before there's the

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good boats but at least it's a reason

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Blee dry head which is quite tolerable

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anyway here we are at the Botanic

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Gardens on the hillside here above

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Berkeley it's beautiful scenery so so

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Green Mountains rolling hills I should

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say lots of people here for the bug day

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just walking along the path here

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families scattered about oh and we've

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come to a little sub area here with

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little stalls and stands and tables and

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lots of bugs and insects and the first

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table we come to is live insects and

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arthropods and there's a classic sort of

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display here butterflies and whatnot no

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I'm from Australia I'm doing a podcast

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science podcast called the skeptic zone

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science and reason

549
00:27:07,310 --> 00:27:05,610
how are you at oh and I'm just looking

550
00:27:09,260 --> 00:27:07,320
over here to my right folks and I'm

551
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:09,270
seeing little terrariums I just come

552
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:11,730
around pass all these people lined up

553
00:27:16,210 --> 00:27:15,450
here what do we have here oh my goodness

554
00:27:19,730 --> 00:27:16,220
me

555
00:27:22,150 --> 00:27:19,740
we've got Rose hair tarantula female

556
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:22,160
yeah

557
00:27:26,180 --> 00:27:24,690
it's just like in the movies what I've

558
00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:26,190
never seen one of these before

559
00:27:32,150 --> 00:27:28,980
it's a giant hairy spider I know some of

560
00:27:33,470 --> 00:27:32,160
my friends would be running the opposite

561
00:27:34,430 --> 00:27:33,480
direction right now that's quite

562
00:27:36,650 --> 00:27:34,440
impressive

563
00:27:38,750 --> 00:27:36,660
you're pretty good size the animal I

564
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:38,760
guess the closest you got is a huntsman

565
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:40,650
I guess you guys have Huntsman we have

566
00:27:45,049 --> 00:27:42,690
Huntsman's but they're not as chunky you

567
00:27:47,270 --> 00:27:45,059
know there's a lot more spindly legs

568
00:27:50,180 --> 00:27:47,280
spindly leg and they live in the ceiling

569
00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:50,190
of the house but this one is huge that's

570
00:27:54,830 --> 00:27:52,169
a real eye-opener yeah that's about

571
00:27:57,380 --> 00:27:54,840
maximum size for that species that's a

572
00:27:58,940 --> 00:27:57,390
fully grown adult female and I

573
00:28:01,039 --> 00:27:58,950
understand they're relatively harmless

574
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:01,049
well they might they can inflict a

575
00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:04,370
decent bite but they're generally there

576
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:07,140
they're pretty easygoing spider so

577
00:28:10,370 --> 00:28:08,880
unless they feel threatening they're not

578
00:28:11,899 --> 00:28:10,380
gonna you know if they feel the need to

579
00:28:13,850 --> 00:28:11,909
defend themselves they do have a pretty

580
00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:13,860
good set of Calissa that they can put a

581
00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:15,900
pretty good bite on you with the venom

582
00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:18,120
is not particularly strong either so but

583
00:28:23,299 --> 00:28:20,820
it hurts if you look at this is a shed

584
00:28:25,730 --> 00:28:23,309
from a lot smaller one uh-huh you can

585
00:28:27,289 --> 00:28:25,740
see the fangs kind of right in there Wow

586
00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:27,299
pretty good-sized

587
00:28:36,919 --> 00:28:29,880
well I wouldn't tempt it I wouldn't try

588
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:36,929
it and we have some other little oh here

589
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:41,520
are some scorpions a tiny native species

590
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:44,400
so they're pretty common here they

591
00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:50,250
fluoresce under black do that

592
00:28:59,640 --> 00:28:55,980
wow those are native to here this one's

593
00:29:01,080 --> 00:28:59,650
Jesus from Africa just opening up

594
00:29:04,049 --> 00:29:01,090
another one here and there's one hiding

595
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:04,059
under some table oh wow you put a black

596
00:29:11,460 --> 00:29:06,910
light on it changes color it's a good

597
00:29:13,980 --> 00:29:11,470
way to collect in that night yeah that's

598
00:29:17,130 --> 00:29:13,990
and we have a centipede here Melia

599
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:17,140
millipedes yep Wow lots of fun insects

600
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:18,000
here

601
00:29:24,260 --> 00:29:21,520
no not insects - post alpha boxes

602
00:29:30,410 --> 00:29:24,270
absolutely well thank you very much

603
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:35,640
right coming up to the back of a little

604
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:39,010
building in and we found the table for

605
00:29:45,060 --> 00:29:43,360
the NCSC and it's very busy at the

606
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:45,070
moment of people lined up to have a talk

607
00:29:50,790 --> 00:29:49,120
to the people here so we'll wait out

608
00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:50,800
there because the little kids are now oh

609
00:29:56,030 --> 00:29:53,710
yes swamping the table and picking up

610
00:29:58,740 --> 00:29:56,040
beads and doing all sorts of fun things

611
00:30:00,570 --> 00:29:58,750
it's nice that the the NCSC

612
00:30:03,930 --> 00:30:00,580
keep up the public outreach I think

613
00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:03,940
agreed yes that's a very important part

614
00:30:08,669 --> 00:30:07,929
of defending science education shall we

615
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,679
say yeah

616
00:30:13,650 --> 00:30:10,240
is having a more scientifically literate

617
00:30:16,290 --> 00:30:13,660
population so that is a direction that

618
00:30:22,550 --> 00:30:16,300
NCSC has expanded upon and I'm delighted

619
00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:24,810
activity or they're making they're

620
00:30:31,650 --> 00:30:28,030
making keychains which is very suitable

621
00:30:35,340 --> 00:30:31,660
for the under five year old set here and

622
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:35,350
each bead both bead on the keychain is

623
00:30:40,650 --> 00:30:38,050
another element that can be used in

624
00:30:42,270 --> 00:30:40,660
mosquito control so one of the beads is

625
00:30:44,460 --> 00:30:42,280
a little is shaped like a little fish

626
00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:44,470
because of course finish are one of the

627
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:48,510
major predators for mosquito larva

628
00:30:54,210 --> 00:30:51,760
there's another colored bead that

629
00:30:57,410 --> 00:30:54,220
represents bed nets which of course is a

630
00:31:01,580 --> 00:30:57,420
very important way especially in

631
00:31:03,660 --> 00:31:01,590
tropical in third-world countries with

632
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,670
protecting people against getting bitten

633
00:31:08,250 --> 00:31:05,440
is extremely important for malaria

634
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:08,260
control another disease is carried by

635
00:31:14,250 --> 00:31:12,010
insects another colored bead represents

636
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,260
insecticides so the kids can thread

637
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:16,480
together one two three four five six

638
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:20,110
seven eight different kinds of beads to

639
00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:21,970
represent different ways of controlling

640
00:31:32,940 --> 00:31:30,320
so each get a little peering with some

641
00:31:34,410 --> 00:31:32,950
some nylon fishing line or something

642
00:31:36,930 --> 00:31:34,420
like that and they can string their own

643
00:31:39,780 --> 00:31:36,940
beads which represent different ways to

644
00:31:46,620 --> 00:31:39,790
control mosquito and have a keychain

645
00:31:52,450 --> 00:31:50,280
well Cade cata good to see you again

646
00:31:56,409 --> 00:31:52,460
folks you might remember I interviewed

647
00:31:58,510 --> 00:31:56,419
taped some months ago for science

648
00:32:00,600 --> 00:31:58,520
education you hear the Botanic Gardens

649
00:32:03,310 --> 00:32:00,610
at Berkeley and you're helping kids make

650
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:03,320
keychains to help teach them about

651
00:32:07,270 --> 00:32:06,049
mosquitoes what a wonderful idea and the

652
00:32:09,460 --> 00:32:07,280
kids are lined up here they're making

653
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,470
all sorts of colorful keychains who came

654
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:11,360
up with this fabulous idea um it was a

655
00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:14,000
combination of myself and our previous

656
00:32:20,530 --> 00:32:17,860
intern Emily vortex so we wanted to

657
00:32:22,150 --> 00:32:20,540
create an activity that explored how

658
00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:22,160
mosquito populations changed throughout

659
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:24,620
time and we had tried maybe three or

660
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:27,110
four variations of this for maybe the

661
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:30,410
past year and it was maps and dice and

662
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:32,690
it was getting overly complicated so you

663
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:35,210
know we came up with this game where you

664
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,970
dump cups and you just race to see how

665
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,679
many mosquitoes you can pick up which is

666
00:32:43,810 --> 00:32:41,600
going on at the table over here right

667
00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:43,820
but we wanted to not just be doom and

668
00:32:48,190 --> 00:32:46,070
gloom and say mosquito populations are

669
00:32:50,169 --> 00:32:48,200
growing and they're getting worse so we

670
00:32:52,390 --> 00:32:50,179
also wanted to help kids feel empowered

671
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:52,400
to figure out a strategy for controlling

672
00:32:56,500 --> 00:32:54,049
the mosquitoes so we came up with this

673
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:56,510
keychain idea where they can string

674
00:32:59,620 --> 00:32:58,250
together beads representing this kind of

675
00:33:01,900 --> 00:32:59,630
combination of different strategies

676
00:33:03,549 --> 00:33:01,910
right and at the end of what they're

677
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:03,559
doing they can read about it here in

678
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:06,080
little chart but they get a wonderful

679
00:33:08,980 --> 00:33:07,970
keychain to take away and a sticker from

680
00:33:10,990 --> 00:33:08,990
the National Center for Science

681
00:33:13,030 --> 00:33:11,000
education and I think that's just a

682
00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:13,040
wonderful way to engage with the young

683
00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:15,710
kids here today and it's really nice to

684
00:33:22,810 --> 00:33:19,820
see you continuing the policy of science

685
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:22,820
outreach looking along the table is a I

686
00:33:27,460 --> 00:33:25,130
love it a big box full of little

687
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:27,470
compartments filled with little fish and

688
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:29,890
little beads and all sorts of things

689
00:33:33,870 --> 00:33:32,559
actually have a high school volunteer

690
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:33,880
program this summer so some of the

691
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:34,960
people that are working here actually

692
00:33:39,450 --> 00:33:36,850
high school students lower themselves

693
00:33:42,990 --> 00:33:39,460
learning about how to teach science

694
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:43,000
education effectively so it's we're not

695
00:33:46,350 --> 00:33:44,799
just working directly with the community

696
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:46,360
members but we're working with kind of

697
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:47,679
the older community members who might

698
00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:48,960
have phased out of traditional outreach

699
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:51,340
to help them think about how do they now

700
00:33:56,970 --> 00:33:53,850
teach okay just like a win-win situation

701
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:56,980
on both sides of the table here well you

702
00:34:00,539 --> 00:33:58,330
know what I'm gonna have to make myself

703
00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:00,549
the mosquito controller

704
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:03,790
BuChE here thank you very

705
00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:05,440
oh look at that so I get a little Kiki

706
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,350
ring here a little bit of oh it's nice

707
00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:10,720
nylon or something on the end I'm going

708
00:34:16,980 --> 00:34:15,580
to make my own right now mosquito so

709
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:16,990
they don't think the beds would mosquito

710
00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:21,609
all right hello hello no I'm fine word

711
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:22,990
the other table here at the National

712
00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:24,609
Center for Science education and we've

713
00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:27,070
come across a very interesting game I

714
00:34:31,889 --> 00:34:28,990
guess we've got all these cups little

715
00:34:34,649 --> 00:34:31,899
plastic cups full of insects let me tip

716
00:34:36,750 --> 00:34:34,659
some out here and they flies but they

717
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:36,760
represent mosquitoes don't know what's

718
00:34:40,889 --> 00:34:38,050
the whole idea of this

719
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:40,899
so basically we're showing the overall

720
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:42,850
increase in mosquito populations

721
00:34:46,619 --> 00:34:44,770
throughout time but we're also trying to

722
00:34:49,649 --> 00:34:46,629
teach about the spread of West Nile and

723
00:34:52,379 --> 00:34:49,659
Zika virus Wow so as the climate change

724
00:34:54,270 --> 00:34:52,389
on earth we're seeing mosquitoes are

725
00:34:56,580 --> 00:34:54,280
infected with West Nile and Zika start

726
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:56,590
moving into northern latitudes I'm just

727
00:35:00,930 --> 00:34:58,210
like move higher north so we're starting

728
00:35:03,180 --> 00:35:00,940
to see southern states have mosquitoes

729
00:35:06,090 --> 00:35:03,190
that already function Circle trying to

730
00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:06,100
show children the overall increase as

731
00:35:11,130 --> 00:35:09,160
well as just how climate can impact

732
00:35:12,780 --> 00:35:11,140
mosquito populations we also have

733
00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:12,790
another station where they can use key

734
00:35:17,070 --> 00:35:14,740
chains to learn different control

735
00:35:18,220 --> 00:35:17,080
strategies I know I read that look at

736
00:35:24,770 --> 00:35:18,230
that

737
00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:24,780
one easy simple solution to fixing like

738
00:35:29,540 --> 00:35:27,000
mosquitos and you know controlling their

739
00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:29,550
population so we're trying to have them

740
00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:31,740
use mortal beads to kind of come out

741
00:35:37,819 --> 00:35:34,440
like with a multifactorial solution for

742
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,829
controlling Wow so the game here and I

743
00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:39,359
was watching some kids played just now

744
00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:41,400
we've got little devices here on the

745
00:35:48,829 --> 00:35:45,480
table tweezers and think so what's the

746
00:35:51,230 --> 00:35:48,839
idea so the game starts off fairly easy

747
00:35:53,329 --> 00:35:51,240
they have a small amount of mosquitoes

748
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:53,339
to pick up and they have large paddles

749
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,500
to pick them up but throughout time as

750
00:36:00,200 --> 00:35:57,599
we see more of the mosquitoes I carry

751
00:36:02,180 --> 00:36:00,210
like Zika and West Nile they have to use

752
00:36:03,740 --> 00:36:02,190
different tools to pick them up which

753
00:36:05,540 --> 00:36:03,750
makes the game a lot harder and there's

754
00:36:07,970 --> 00:36:05,550
also more of them to pick up in the same

755
00:36:09,980 --> 00:36:07,980
amount of time so each time that they

756
00:36:12,020 --> 00:36:09,990
have you pick them up they have about

757
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:12,030
twenty seconds and not change it not

758
00:36:16,069 --> 00:36:13,200
change that's consistent throughout the

759
00:36:18,460 --> 00:36:16,079
game what changes is the complexity of

760
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:18,470
they because we've got six cups here

761
00:36:27,710 --> 00:36:23,609
1975 1985 and so on right up until 2025

762
00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:27,720
yes emulate in the future if the climate

763
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:29,670
is continuing the way it is now what we

764
00:36:34,460 --> 00:36:31,410
might expect to see those potato

765
00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:34,470
populations yeah it's really supposed to

766
00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:36,270
show them that it's the complex

767
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:38,430
situation it becomes really hard to

768
00:36:43,309 --> 00:36:42,210
control but yeah I think starting simple

769
00:36:47,380 --> 00:36:43,319
and then having the increase in

770
00:36:52,339 --> 00:36:49,640
and I love the way it's turned into an

771
00:37:00,410 --> 00:36:52,349
interesting activity a young man here

772
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:04,710
getting rid of mosquitoes the University

773
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:06,880
of California Botanical Gardens at

774
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:09,310
Berkeley they're open daily from 9 a.m.

775
00:37:14,070 --> 00:37:11,920
to 5 p.m. and you can find out more by

776
00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:14,080
visiting Botanical Garden dottie

777
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:16,990
berkeley.edu or following the link in

778
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795
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797
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801
00:39:14,249 --> 00:39:13,919
now over the past few months the skeptic

802
00:39:17,009 --> 00:39:14,259
zone

803
00:39:19,049 --> 00:39:17,019
I have regularly been reading out

804
00:39:20,789 --> 00:39:19,059
stories and reports and articles and

805
00:39:22,979 --> 00:39:20,799
interviews from the pages of the skeptic

806
00:39:26,130 --> 00:39:22,989
made journal from Australian skeptics

807
00:39:28,349 --> 00:39:26,140
stretching back almost 40 years and it's

808
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:28,359
as I like to say it gives you an a hint

809
00:39:33,959 --> 00:39:31,380
an indication a clue as to the wealth of

810
00:39:36,689 --> 00:39:33,969
material at your fingertips at skeptics

811
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:36,699
calm today you today I thought I'd do

812
00:39:39,959 --> 00:39:38,529
something a little bit different now

813
00:39:42,089 --> 00:39:39,969
many Australians would be very familiar

814
00:39:44,669 --> 00:39:42,099
with the magazine the Australian Women's

815
00:39:46,979 --> 00:39:44,679
Weekly which has been there in

816
00:39:51,870 --> 00:39:46,989
publication for decades and decades and

817
00:39:54,209 --> 00:39:51,880
decades when I first started looking at

818
00:39:57,689 --> 00:39:54,219
it of course I was only a boy in the

819
00:39:59,489 --> 00:39:57,699
1970s and it's easy to forget what an

820
00:40:02,370 --> 00:39:59,499
important part of Australian culture the

821
00:40:05,009 --> 00:40:02,380
Australian Women's Weekly was probably

822
00:40:07,799 --> 00:40:05,019
still is to an extent certainly was in

823
00:40:09,659 --> 00:40:07,809
former years and they had many

824
00:40:12,449 --> 00:40:09,669
interesting articles and interviews lots

825
00:40:14,969 --> 00:40:12,459
of things that were aimed at their

826
00:40:17,099 --> 00:40:14,979
readership of course royal new

827
00:40:21,779 --> 00:40:17,109
celebrities what people are wearing

828
00:40:24,359 --> 00:40:21,789
fashion some astrology not much but I

829
00:40:26,729 --> 00:40:24,369
think many issues had an astrology

830
00:40:29,549 --> 00:40:26,739
column but they have an interesting

831
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:29,559
selection over the decades on the

832
00:40:35,539 --> 00:40:32,049
paranormal now thanks to the National

833
00:40:39,959 --> 00:40:35,549
Library of Australia all the issues from

834
00:40:43,649 --> 00:40:39,969
1933 to 1982 are available online as

835
00:40:46,289 --> 00:40:43,659
PDFs searchable I'll have a link in the

836
00:40:48,179 --> 00:40:46,299
show notes of course so I did a search

837
00:40:50,130 --> 00:40:48,189
and I've come up with all sorts of

838
00:40:52,140 --> 00:40:50,140
goodies over the years from the pages of

839
00:40:55,979 --> 00:40:52,150
the Australian Woman's Weekly but I

840
00:40:58,769 --> 00:40:55,989
discovered and I remembered that in well

841
00:41:02,699 --> 00:40:58,779
the 1970s at least we didn't hear much

842
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:02,709
about psychics you heard about ESP that

843
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:06,800
was the popular phrase ESP

844
00:41:11,470 --> 00:41:09,680
so in front of me I have the page in

845
00:41:14,830 --> 00:41:11,480
question where you can do the search I

846
00:41:19,390 --> 00:41:14,840
type in e SP get the search button

847
00:41:20,890 --> 00:41:19,400
and many results are returned and I

848
00:41:23,170 --> 00:41:20,900
thought I would read to you an article

849
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:23,180
from the Australian Women's Weekly this

850
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:30,410
one is from the 6th of July 1977 the

851
00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:40,660
you're daydreaming about Aunt Emma when

852
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:44,150
the phone rings it's Aunt Emma nearing

853
00:41:50,349 --> 00:41:46,250
home you think there's a letter for you

854
00:41:52,839 --> 00:41:50,359
you reached letter box it's there it's a

855
00:41:58,329 --> 00:41:52,849
weird and wonderful thing and it has

856
00:42:02,079 --> 00:41:58,339
scientists puzzled what is this strange

857
00:42:04,690 --> 00:42:02,089
thing called extra sensory perception it

858
00:42:05,230 --> 00:42:04,700
is happening all around you and all the

859
00:42:07,540 --> 00:42:05,240
time

860
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:07,550
messages are being sent from one person

861
00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:09,770
to another without anything so obvious

862
00:42:14,650 --> 00:42:12,440
as a letter or phone call taking place

863
00:42:16,569 --> 00:42:14,660
friends who have been out of touch with

864
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:16,579
one another are linking up again

865
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:19,690
each somehow aware of a need to

866
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:23,119
re-establish contact business people are

867
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:25,730
making important decisions based as much

868
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:28,970
on a gut feeling that what they are

869
00:42:34,780 --> 00:42:32,240
doing is right as on reams of documented

870
00:42:37,390 --> 00:42:34,790
information and thousands of others are

871
00:42:39,460 --> 00:42:37,400
having the sensation that whatever they

872
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:39,470
are doing they have done before in

873
00:42:45,849 --> 00:42:42,410
exactly the same way the condition is

874
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:45,859
sometimes known as deja vu already seen

875
00:42:50,410 --> 00:42:48,410
if you are tuned into yourself you will

876
00:42:53,470 --> 00:42:50,420
guess that all these incidents are

877
00:42:56,140 --> 00:42:53,480
perhaps part of the whole vibrating

878
00:43:00,540 --> 00:42:56,150
pulsating and often misunderstood thing

879
00:43:03,579 --> 00:43:00,550
known as ESP that is very hard to define

880
00:43:06,250 --> 00:43:03,589
according to one academic those people

881
00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:06,260
who have genuine ESP are supposed to

882
00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:08,329
have communication without the use of

883
00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:12,950
the usual senses but ESP can also mean

884
00:43:19,859 --> 00:43:16,310
heightened sensitivity of a person's

885
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:19,869
senses that can include clairvoyance

886
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:23,440
seeing mental pictures clairaudience

887
00:43:29,980 --> 00:43:26,290
hearing inaudible sounds and

888
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:29,990
clairsentience sensing things or people

889
00:43:35,550 --> 00:43:32,930
nearby there is nothing new about any of

890
00:43:37,950 --> 00:43:35,560
it human beings have always had

891
00:43:40,270 --> 00:43:37,960
intuitions funny feelings and

892
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:40,280
coincidental happenings in their lives

893
00:43:46,980 --> 00:43:44,000
but ESP apparently goes beyond the realm

894
00:43:50,140 --> 00:43:46,990
of coincidence into an area of personal

895
00:43:51,820 --> 00:43:50,150
experiences and telepathic phenomena

896
00:43:54,030 --> 00:43:51,830
that have led some of the

897
00:43:57,940 --> 00:43:54,040
world's top scientists to become very

898
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:57,950
interested the reaction to PSP is like

899
00:44:03,220 --> 00:44:01,040
that to God you say you believe you say

900
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:03,230
you don't believe but few who have

901
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:04,640
looked into it will say categorically

902
00:44:11,350 --> 00:44:08,570
that ESP doesn't exist Rome Warren

903
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:11,360
believes this Sydney woman who is the

904
00:44:16,660 --> 00:44:14,450
principle of the loosely structured no

905
00:44:20,020 --> 00:44:16,670
building just a Pio box number and

906
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:20,030
occasional seminars Academy for psychic

907
00:44:24,430 --> 00:44:22,970
research and creative development says

908
00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:24,440
that she has been having psychic

909
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:26,470
experiences ever since she was a child

910
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:29,090
for many years I didn't mention anything

911
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,370
about it or think much of it because

912
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:33,680
looking back it just seems so much an

913
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:36,410
ordinary everyday part of my life she

914
00:44:41,950 --> 00:44:39,170
says but I have vivid recollections of

915
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:41,960
astral travelling and one time of coming

916
00:44:46,690 --> 00:44:44,450
home over rooftops and getting so low

917
00:44:50,650 --> 00:44:46,700
that I almost got tangled up in some

918
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:50,660
tramway lines I didn't do any astral

919
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:52,850
traveling for a while after that I was

920
00:44:58,990 --> 00:44:55,490
so scared she let out a big laugh her

921
00:45:02,410 --> 00:44:59,000
attitude towards ESP and her other super

922
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:02,420
sensitivity is serious but lightened by

923
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:05,090
a humor and an ability to take this

924
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:08,210
spookiness out of the matter although in

925
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:11,090
her flowing caftan with her fingers

926
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:14,240
covered in intricate metal rings and her

927
00:45:22,180 --> 00:45:17,890
piercing gaze miss Warren does look well

928
00:45:24,490 --> 00:45:22,190
different Rome Warren is very concerned

929
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:24,500
about the way many people turn to

930
00:45:29,230 --> 00:45:26,930
clairvoyance for help in their personal

931
00:45:32,350 --> 00:45:29,240
lives and she is quick to counsel them

932
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:32,360
against doing so if they aren't sure of

933
00:45:38,110 --> 00:45:35,450
the clairvoyance bonafide ease there are

934
00:45:40,690 --> 00:45:38,120
a lot of so-called clairvoyance who

935
00:45:43,330 --> 00:45:40,700
charge excessive fees and tell people

936
00:45:46,270 --> 00:45:43,340
absolutely dreadful things she says I

937
00:45:48,730 --> 00:45:46,280
had a phone call once from a woman in

938
00:45:51,070 --> 00:45:48,740
hysterics who had been told that her

939
00:45:54,430 --> 00:45:51,080
husband did a lot of astral traveling

940
00:45:57,310 --> 00:45:54,440
and when he did it wasn't with her that

941
00:46:00,190 --> 00:45:57,320
sort of thing there is an enormous

942
00:46:01,660 --> 00:46:00,200
amount of irresponsibility among people

943
00:46:03,550 --> 00:46:01,670
who work in the field

944
00:46:05,470 --> 00:46:03,560
despite the superstition that you lose

945
00:46:05,690 --> 00:46:05,480
your powers of clairvoyance if you take

946
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:05,700
it

947
00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:08,130
manage of people miss Warren also warns

948
00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:10,680
those who fall into the pattern of using

949
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:13,140
their clairvoyant as a crutch in life

950
00:46:18,050 --> 00:46:15,450
they are looking for a miracle outside

951
00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:18,060
of themselves but what they must know is

952
00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:19,470
that the only change in their

953
00:46:24,830 --> 00:46:22,230
circumstances will come from change in

954
00:46:27,380 --> 00:46:24,840
their own attitude the full range of ESP

955
00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:27,390
is enormous and its implications are

956
00:46:32,990 --> 00:46:30,780
fascinating and/or frightening miss

957
00:46:36,020 --> 00:46:33,000
Warren feels physical suffering can be

958
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:36,030
helped by mental attitudes if you have

959
00:46:41,330 --> 00:46:39,090
an emotion nor in a way do you get an

960
00:46:43,340 --> 00:46:41,340
ulcer if you change your attitude to the

961
00:46:45,590 --> 00:46:43,350
circumstances you are heading in the

962
00:46:48,860 --> 00:46:45,600
right direction to help your ulcer she

963
00:46:51,410 --> 00:46:48,870
says basically Miss Warren says ESP is

964
00:46:54,620 --> 00:46:51,420
something we all have in greater or

965
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:54,630
smaller amounts something we can use to

966
00:47:00,440 --> 00:46:57,450
improve or at least keep in control

967
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:00,450
different aspects of our lives it can

968
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:02,610
give people a better knowledge of self

969
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,560
and show them how to get through the

970
00:47:09,380 --> 00:47:07,200
blind spots in their lives the

971
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:09,390
scientific research being done in

972
00:47:14,930 --> 00:47:12,170
Australia is small but most of the

973
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:14,940
university professors who are interested

974
00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:17,010
in it will not talk to reporters for

975
00:47:22,820 --> 00:47:19,740
fear of being misquoted or misunderstood

976
00:47:26,090 --> 00:47:22,830
at the University of New England at

977
00:47:29,630 --> 00:47:26,100
Armidale and the University of Tasmania

978
00:47:33,230 --> 00:47:29,640
the department's of psychology offer

979
00:47:35,930 --> 00:47:33,240
courses in parapsychology dr. Tiki Lee

980
00:47:38,540 --> 00:47:35,940
who teaches the course at the University

981
00:47:41,630 --> 00:47:38,550
of Tasmania says one main problem for

982
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:41,640
laymen interested in ESP and the larger

983
00:47:48,020 --> 00:47:44,640
area of parapsychology is sorting the

984
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:48,030
rubbish from the truth he like ms Warren

985
00:47:54,170 --> 00:47:50,460
is concerned about the growing number of

986
00:47:56,780 --> 00:47:54,180
groups and individuals who pretend to

987
00:47:59,540 --> 00:47:56,790
offer ESP based solutions to the

988
00:48:01,970 --> 00:47:59,550
emotionally troubled and he is not one

989
00:48:05,180 --> 00:48:01,980
to encourage the idea that every human

990
00:48:06,860 --> 00:48:05,190
is equipped with ESP you can't really

991
00:48:10,310 --> 00:48:06,870
say that with certainty

992
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,320
dr. Keely cautions you sometimes have

993
00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:12,960
certain ability in this area that seems

994
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:16,020
to be hereditary and ESP seems to run in

995
00:48:20,900 --> 00:48:18,510
families but it is very difficult

996
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:20,910
to know if there is any real genetic

997
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:23,760
disposition the British author Arthur

998
00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:26,490
Koestler who has one of the boldest

999
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,460
minds in our age has explored the

1000
00:48:34,730 --> 00:48:31,680
scientific work on ESP type phenomena

1001
00:48:37,610 --> 00:48:34,740
around the world in his book the roots

1002
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:37,620
of coincidence Koestler quotes the words

1003
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:41,130
written in 1960 by the respected British

1004
00:48:48,260 --> 00:48:45,330
psychologist professor HJ Isaac unless

1005
00:48:50,510 --> 00:48:48,270
there is a gigantic conspiracy involving

1006
00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:50,520
some 30 University departments all over

1007
00:48:56,090 --> 00:48:53,640
the world and several hundred highly

1008
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,100
respected scientists in various fields

1009
00:49:01,490 --> 00:48:59,040
the only conclusion the unbiased

1010
00:49:04,660 --> 00:49:01,500
observer can come to must be that there

1011
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:04,670
does exist a small number of people who

1012
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:07,410
obtain knowledge existing either in

1013
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:10,680
other people's minds or in the outer

1014
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:14,010
world by means as yet unknown to science

1015
00:49:21,650 --> 00:49:18,720
have you got ASP try this quiz the

1016
00:49:24,770 --> 00:49:21,660
letters ESP stand for extra sensory

1017
00:49:27,860 --> 00:49:24,780
perception more appropriate would be the

1018
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:27,870
term extended sensory perception because

1019
00:49:32,510 --> 00:49:29,880
rather than a sixth sense there seems to

1020
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:32,520
be a heightened sensitivity in the areas

1021
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:36,000
of seeing hearing and feeling have I got

1022
00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:39,090
a ESP this question is frequently asked

1023
00:49:45,380 --> 00:49:43,020
and the simple answer is yes ESP is

1024
00:49:48,050 --> 00:49:45,390
awareness and the individual who is

1025
00:49:51,290 --> 00:49:48,060
aware enough to ask the question is

1026
00:49:54,860 --> 00:49:51,300
aware enough to have ESP the psychic or

1027
00:49:57,980 --> 00:49:54,870
sensitive person is someone who has an

1028
00:50:00,290 --> 00:49:57,990
awareness which is beyond average the

1029
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:00,300
probing of science uncovers areas which

1030
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:03,930
are totally incomprehensible by normal

1031
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,310
standards this then is ASB and it exists

1032
00:50:14,300 --> 00:50:11,280
to some degree in you and in every

1033
00:50:17,380 --> 00:50:14,310
person you know Rome Warren has devised

1034
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:17,390
this quiz to help you gauge your

1035
00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:20,400
sensitivity try it and make some

1036
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:22,500
discoveries in the exploration of

1037
00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:24,450
yourself

1038
00:50:33,170 --> 00:50:28,350
how to score one point if you answer

1039
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:33,180
once three points for occasionally five

1040
00:50:42,860 --> 00:50:37,650
points for often and zero if your answer

1041
00:50:45,100 --> 00:50:42,870
is never question have you ever known in

1042
00:50:48,590 --> 00:50:45,110
advance that the phone will ring

1043
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,600
question have you known who is on the

1044
00:50:53,780 --> 00:50:50,960
phone before hearing the speaker

1045
00:50:57,140 --> 00:50:53,790
question have you known the postman is

1046
00:51:00,160 --> 00:50:57,150
bringing you a letter question have you

1047
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:00,170
known the size / color of the envelope

1048
00:51:08,300 --> 00:51:04,410
question have you sensed someone staring

1049
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:08,310
at you and found it to be so question

1050
00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:11,490
have you thought of someone just before

1051
00:51:21,260 --> 00:51:16,260
an unexpected meeting question do you

1052
00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:21,270
ever have distinct hunches question do

1053
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:22,920
you have more success from acting on

1054
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:27,450
intuition than intellect question have

1055
00:51:33,050 --> 00:51:30,180
you ever had intuitive absolute

1056
00:51:35,330 --> 00:51:33,060
knowledge or conviction question have

1057
00:51:39,290 --> 00:51:35,340
you ever known about an event before it

1058
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:39,300
occurred question do you sometimes like

1059
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:44,000
/ dislike / love / hate at first sight

1060
00:51:50,030 --> 00:51:46,770
question do you know in advance what

1061
00:51:53,180 --> 00:51:50,040
someone is about to say question are you

1062
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:53,190
affected happily / unhappily by certain

1063
00:52:02,450 --> 00:51:56,640
places question do you have a sense of

1064
00:52:04,850 --> 00:52:02,460
danger before apparent danger exists if

1065
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:04,860
you scored at least three points you

1066
00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:09,810
have slight ESP four to six points you

1067
00:52:16,460 --> 00:52:13,260
are reasonably aware seven to ten points

1068
00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:16,470
your intuition is good more than ten

1069
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:24,040
[Music]

1070
00:52:30,970 --> 00:52:28,420
and that was ESP cents or nonsense by

1071
00:52:35,020 --> 00:52:30,980
Patricia Angley and that was published

1072
00:52:39,850 --> 00:52:35,030
way back in 1977 in the Australian

1073
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:39,860
Women's Weekly from July the 6th so that

1074
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:42,530
was in the magazines the popular

1075
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:46,970
magazines 42 years ago and there are

1076
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:49,850
many more articles and reports going

1077
00:52:54,070 --> 00:52:52,130
back through the decades of Australian

1078
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:54,080
Women's Weekly pertaining to skeptical

1079
00:52:59,380 --> 00:52:56,690
matters uri geller gets quite a mention

1080
00:53:01,930 --> 00:52:59,390
but I'll let you discover all those for

1081
00:53:03,850 --> 00:53:01,940
yourselves by following the link in this

1082
00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:03,860
week's show notes

1083
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:21,299
hi this is dr. Pamela gay from astronomy

1084
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:24,160
cast each week Fraser Cain and I take

1085
00:53:28,260 --> 00:53:26,079
our listeners on a fact-based journey

1086
00:53:31,019 --> 00:53:28,270
through the cosmos with our weekly

1087
00:53:33,809 --> 00:53:31,029
podcast we explain not just what we know

1088
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:33,819
but how we know what we know about this

1089
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:36,640
universe that we share check us out at

1090
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:39,130
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1091
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:41,529
itunes google play and wherever you

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download podcasts see online

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone this week a couple of notes from me

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at the end here my friend Rob Palmer

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writing for skeptical Inquirer under the

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moniker the well-known skeptic has

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interviewed John de Lancie the famous

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actor known from such things as Star

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Trek and he will be appearing at Psych

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on this year in Las Vegas and oh that

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would be so good to visit that I don't

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think I can wangle it this year however

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you can read an interview with John de

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Lancie

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at skeptical inquirer org and I'll put a

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link in this week's show notes quite an

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accomplished man he also did a series of

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radio plays with Leonard Nimoy some

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years ago called alien voices that's

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worth checking out they did some HT

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Welles material and they did something

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called Spock vs. Q which I'm sure all

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Star Trek fans know about now if you're

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in Canberra in the acct in August on

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Tuesday the 13th of August you can see a

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presentation by our very own trish han

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who does a segment here on the skeptic

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zone from time to time called trish and

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chips trish will be talking about

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women's whoo pseudoscience and women's

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health now Trish gave a wonderful

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presentation at last year's Australian

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skeptics convention in Sydney I'll add a

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link in the show notes but this will be

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at the law lecture theatre law building

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number 5 at the Australian University

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and the cost is free this talk is a tour

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through the world of women's whoo we

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heard earlier about the woman's weekly

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this is woman's whoo there's probably

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more of it than you realize and it's

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often weirder than you expect there are

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the obvious ones which are skewered

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towards women but technically gender

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neutral such as essential oils

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naturopathy psychics mediums etc which

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generally have more female customers

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than male but not necessarily by design

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in this talk you'll hear about nonsense

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therapies and treatments that

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we'll have not heard about and probably

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a fair few women will learn something

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too something to put in your diary if

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you're in the AC T that's coming up on

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Tuesday the 13th of August Lincoln this

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week's show notes I'm looking forward

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very much to seeing people at DragonCon

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this year in Atlanta Georgia I haven't

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been there for almost 10 years and I've

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been told by Pamela gay as it turns out

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that it's massively increased from 10

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years ago which is hard to believe

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because when I was there 10 years ago it

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was ridiculously big anyway I'll be

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giving a series of talks including one

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about psychic detectives and other

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skeptical goodies I hope to take part in

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the the Silk Road where I'll be

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demonstrating origami and also of course

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I'll be doing interviews for the

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skeptics own podcast look forward to

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seeing you there if you can make it next

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week's show we'll be coming to you from

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Albuquerque New Mexico I'll be visiting

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my good friend Ben Radford I wonder what

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we'll get up - I wonder what mysteries

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we can delve into in New Mexico but

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undal then this is Richard Saunders

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signing off from the Bay Area San

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Francisco you've been listening to the

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